[GUEST ACCESS MODE: Data is scrambled or limited to provide examples. Make requests using your API key to unlock full data. Check https://lunarcrush.ai/auth for authentication information.]  Rustler [@TheRustler83](/creator/twitter/TheRustler83) on x 19.2K followers Created: 2025-07-16 17:09:06 UTC 🚨 Extraordinary exchange at the Sandie Peggie v NHS Fife Employment Tribunal today 16/7/2025 NC Naomi Cunningham - Barrister for Nurse Sandie Peggie IB Isla Bumble - NHS Fife Equality & Diversity Lead Officer NC Woman in Changing Room and man walks in saying “I'm a woman and allowed to be here” Policy makes it impossible for her to object - can't distinguish between Trans Woman and man with a ponytail? IB We didn't have a policy in Fife. NC Your advice - don't have to call it a policy IB If someone has a concern should raise it with their management and steps would then be taken. NC Being surprised by a man in Changing Room would be worse if the woman had history of sex assault? IB Any concerns, should raise with line management. NC Do you know proportion of staff have suffered sex assault in past IB Don't have that info NC You don't collect it? IB No NC Beth Upton is what some people see as a Trans Woman? IB Yes NC Wants to be seen and treated as a woman? IB That's your definition. Is a Trans Woman NC Do you agree lots of ppl say Trans Women are men who want to be seen as women? IB Yes NC So someone who thinks that will see Beth Upton as male? IB Yes NC Sex-realist person will see Beth Upton as a man - seeing sex, not interested in gender? IB Yes NC A woman doesn't need to hold a thought-out philosophical position to see Beth Upton as a man IB People’s views on gender will also be a spectrum NC GI different from sex - someone who is naive to all that might just see what others would call a Trans Womana s a man dressing as a woman. Their eyes would say a man in woman's clothes. IB But there will be ppl who pass and no one would be the wise. NC But Beth Upton looks male IB That's your opinion NC Your unwritten policy the board puts women to. Man are bigger and stronger than women IB A bit. Can't generalise. NC XX% of sexual crime is committed by men. generally, well known IB yes NC Men generally more of a threat physically to women. IB Yes NC And only men capable of rape IB No Not true NC Do you include Trans Women in that IB no. NC men generally stronger/more of a threat to women. IB When you talk Trans Woman and trans male, risk is significantly less. NC You are saying men in general are greater threat to women IB Trans Women are different from other men in level of threat they present IB Less of a risk, except for Isla Bryson NC Man in woman Changing Room is more intimidating than woman in male Changing Room? IB Would depend on circumstances and people involved NC You don't agree with generalisation IB Would be specific to individual, but generally speaking yes. >>> NHS Fife are about to lose this case - badly…..  XXXXXX engagements  **Related Topics** [ib](/topic/ib) [Post Link](https://x.com/TheRustler83/status/1945531149276618969)
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Rustler @TheRustler83 on x 19.2K followers
Created: 2025-07-16 17:09:06 UTC
🚨 Extraordinary exchange at the Sandie Peggie v NHS Fife Employment Tribunal today 16/7/2025
NC Naomi Cunningham - Barrister for Nurse Sandie Peggie
IB Isla Bumble - NHS Fife Equality & Diversity Lead Officer
NC Woman in Changing Room and man walks in saying “I'm a woman and allowed to be here” Policy makes it impossible for her to object - can't distinguish between Trans Woman and man with a ponytail?
IB We didn't have a policy in Fife.
NC Your advice - don't have to call it a policy
IB If someone has a concern should raise it with their management and steps would then be taken.
NC Being surprised by a man in Changing Room would be worse if the woman had history of sex assault?
IB Any concerns, should raise with line management.
NC Do you know proportion of staff have suffered sex assault in past
IB Don't have that info
NC You don't collect it?
IB No
NC Beth Upton is what some people see as a Trans Woman?
IB Yes
NC Wants to be seen and treated as a woman?
IB That's your definition. Is a Trans Woman
NC Do you agree lots of ppl say Trans Women are men who want to be seen as women?
IB Yes NC So someone who thinks that will see Beth Upton as male?
IB Yes
NC Sex-realist person will see Beth Upton as a man - seeing sex, not interested in gender?
IB Yes
NC A woman doesn't need to hold a thought-out philosophical position to see Beth Upton as a man
IB People’s views on gender will also be a spectrum NC GI different from sex - someone who is naive to all that might just see what others would call a Trans Womana s a man dressing as a woman. Their eyes would say a man in woman's clothes.
IB But there will be ppl who pass and no one would be the wise.
NC But Beth Upton looks male IB That's your opinion
NC Your unwritten policy the board puts women to. Man are bigger and stronger than women
IB A bit. Can't generalise. NC XX% of sexual crime is committed by men. generally, well known
IB yes
NC Men generally more of a threat physically to women.
IB Yes
NC And only men capable of rape
IB No Not true
NC Do you include Trans Women in that
IB no.
NC men generally stronger/more of a threat to women.
IB When you talk Trans Woman and trans male, risk is significantly less.
NC You are saying men in general are greater threat to women
IB Trans Women are different from other men in level of threat they present IB Less of a risk, except for Isla Bryson
NC Man in woman Changing Room is more intimidating than woman in male Changing Room?
IB Would depend on circumstances and people involved
NC You don't agree with generalisation
IB Would be specific to individual, but generally speaking yes.
NHS Fife are about to lose this case - badly…..
XXXXXX engagements
Related Topics ib