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[@eliottmea](/creator/twitter/eliottmea)
"For educational purposes and the $KAS community that I hold dear I think it would be good if we dove deep into the oracles each lending platform is going to use. @AppKaskad will be using some sort of LOB aggregator designed from the ground up. I am currently reflecting upon the theory of outlier detection and how to decentralize as many parts as possible. This is not at all a finished solution. @ZealousSwap is going to use @BandProtocol afaik. Not sure for @KaspaCom nor if @KaspaFinance guys are also planning to do lending. Here are questions I would like answers to in order to better"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1971957765225566437) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-09-27T15:19Z 1754 followers, 8069 engagements


"Thanks for your answer Ill go straight to the points Band aggregates prices from a basket of exchanges - which ones exactly this seems like a crucial point for a transparent oracle. median-based approach to minimize outlier influence - so just the median or is it weighted In which case how is it weighted. I simply ask because I could not find this information on their documentation. They might have done it well I am just in the dark. economic incentives and slashing conditions - how do they do this its a very tough thing to do so Im curious as to how they incentivize honesty. Incorrect or"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1971969732069789834) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-09-27T16:06Z 1754 followers, XXX engagements


"I will debate any #bitcoin maxi that calls #kaspa a scam anytime. No diff"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1977033646440882502) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-11T15:28Z 1754 followers, 10.5K engagements


"@cz_binance You're focused on the wrong topic having collaterals priced only with your spot order book just caused the biggest cascading event in history"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1977408626685067425) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-12T16:18Z 1756 followers, 1272 engagements


"one viable solution I talked about here : this is still in the workings and a lot of different things to think about even if an idea has emerged. Another solution would be aggregating all LOBs to get a global order book. This would be robust as well as precise"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1977530573326279135) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-13T00:23Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"@QOMPRO @BandProtocol @kasplex @kaspaunchained @ZealousSwap a DEX can use the ratio between liquidity on both sides. Eg. uniswap has its own oracle last time I looked"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978149524972482645) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T17:22Z 1754 followers, XX engagements


"not a fan of this solution just a median of medians of medians etc. while these price feeds may be robust they're not accurate. Although they would still prevent a liquidation cascade like there was Friday. So it's a good start but a very classic oracle model. I will ask them a question that can determine exactly how they aggregate price although not sure they will answer. Maybe repost to see or comment I'll reply w the link here"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978153980384391356) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T17:40Z 1754 followers, XXX engagements


"@BandProtocol Is the exact algorithm that aggregates data open source And can you check which sources nodes pulled from Or is the mechanism blind on that side and aggregates just from all different nodes without being sure where they got data from"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978155857436098855) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T17:48Z 1754 followers, 1973 engagements


"@KaspaClass @BandProtocol @Fervent_Finance take this with a grain of salt I'm not a fan because I'm a fan of nothing rn lol. Idk if they are more decentralized than chainlink but at least they have fast updates"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978158589685514633) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T17:58Z 1754 followers, XXX engagements


"do you think maybe me saying I don't like anything is useless maybe I should rather compare to existing ones. It's just that they all take the median nobody justifies exactly which sources and what weights so it's all the same to me. maybe the decentralisation aspect meh I'll have a good solution soon"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978168493989056797) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T18:38Z 1754 followers, XXX engagements


"@KaspaClass @BandProtocol @Fervent_Finance yeah its a bit complicated to compare solutions given they all just use a median. Robustness and accuracy if often a tradeoff in statistics but taking medians of medians is just completely ignoring accuracy"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1978174736942129534) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-14T19:03Z 1754 followers, XX engagements


"@michaelsuttonil I wanna spend my best carrer years with Kaspa's research too first time I have felt a sense of purpose"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979183505008386137) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-17T13:51Z 1755 followers, 2632 engagements


"@sslinkie1 I think chainlink is built on unsteady foundations. Id debate anyone on this topic ofc in a polite and factual way but everything I say is just set aside and deemed as fud"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979603415782350975) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-18T17:40Z 1755 followers, XXX engagements


"@nullpackets if you've spent years researching Chainlink can we debate the OCR protocol It is my job to understand oracles and would love to have a civil conversation with you or any Chainlink maxi. Idk if some people in your ecosystem do that from time to time but I'd be super down"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979613331041513671) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-18T18:19Z 1755 followers, XXX engagements


"the second layer of certainty relies on less nodes to give you the "real" price if a watchdog raises an alert. Essentially because they are more "trusted". Do you find this to be a good solution that a huge amount of nodes can be slashed because "trusted" nodes say the price submission was wrong btw this isn't fud just an actual questions that is imo more interesting than just bull posting or saying its going to 0"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979945420773036493) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T16:19Z 1756 followers, 1518 engagements


"@Audit1000 @Kaspa_HypeMan @rajatsonifnance I think thousands of hours might be a stretch. Maybe hundreds is also a stretch"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979954309585424537) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T16:54Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"@jameslavish when does a technology become a fossil Asking cuz bitcoin is kinda slow"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979955047757746518) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T16:57Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"@Coinicarus @realvijayk The point of bitcoin is also that a random user can benefit from its security without having to run a miner. So lets imagine you dont setup your own channel do you think LN inherits the security properties of bitcoin (not talking about decentralization here)"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979955646465487120) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T16:59Z 1755 followers, XX engagements


"you called kaspa a shitcoin which is not civil. then lets make a debate that last more than XX minutes if you already have an opinion on kaspa then it won't be long enough. Btw your answer didn't cover my question. Having an on-chain output doesn't mean it has the same security properties as the base layer. So my question stands"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979963377305764051) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T17:30Z 1756 followers, XX engagements


"@PeterSchiff how is gold a threat to bitcoin you move around gold for your purchases"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979970978340872673) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T18:00Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"Calling everything a shitcoin may be sarcastic but words hold meaning so please keep it respectful for others. Now let's move on to a more polite discussion. Sure I can come on the show to present kaspa. Although you do seem to have some knowledge of bitcoin and when I present kaspa I essentially just present the limitations of bitcoin. So if you are willing we can also discuss this live which I would be glad to participate in as long as it stays based on facts. Concerning LN even if you don't stay off for around X weeks it is indeed possible to steal your funds. Here are more details : Now a"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979983988845613391) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T18:52Z 1755 followers, XXX engagements


"If I resume correctly you don't know much about kaspa and don't understand the technology behind it but it's shit because its price doesn't perform as well as bitcoins. To compare your logic Bitcoin was a shitcoin at every interval in time where it underperformed gold. As a matter of fact with the above mentality you only accept something as "not a shitcoin" once it has been widely adopted (and probably the best performing asset in the world). Which is basically not having an opinion of your own. I never said LN isn't bitcoin (even if it's just an IOU). I initially responded to your insult to"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979993910966718968) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T19:31Z 1755 followers, XXX engagements


"@TheLoadedLounge @xximpod @DmitryMeshkov @quex_tech @BandProtocol sure I'll have 1h if that's ok"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980320005133832244) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T17:07Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"the oracle problem is asking n entities to provide you the true price of an asset (assume it exists) where each entity has a financial incentive to lie to you. the more they lie the more your oracle is wrong the more they can arb. you want to penalize liars but the lie influences the oracle's belief on the true price and so you penalize based on false information thus you don't penalize well. @maxibitcat #kaspa"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1977777359366582760) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-13T16:44Z 1759 followers, 4355 engagements


"I knew you would pick up on the "true price" aspect and rightfully so. Let's do a thought process on this before addressing the other question (I understood what you meant). Say there was a single global LOB what would we consider the "true price" Obv the mid price isn't actually a price you can buy/sell at if there is positive spread (but let's set this aside for now). So let's say an asset is traded on a single LOB then the "true price" is just the BBO. Although if we want to go even further even the best bid is not the price because the executed price of selling depends on liquidity at the"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1977795576877215867) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-13T17:56Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"Just watched great episode as usual have some comments : - "black box for the final user you don't know exactly how the data is collected". Totally agree with this as a matter of fact I have asked @BandProtocol publicly and privately how they aggregate data (even told them they could answer "this is confidential). I was ignored every time. - a reminder that @quex_tech is a great solution but a team can still build a bad oracle if they use it incorrectly. Quex doesn't tell you how to aggregate data they help you do it. I also like that Dmitry admits if you are nitpicking we could say even TEEs"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1979944571514818763) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T16:15Z 1758 followers, XXX engagements


"IOU definition : a signed document acknowledging a debt. That is what LN is factually. The reason the teacher that wrote the above paper didn't actually conduct the attack is because he has a sense of moral not because he couldn't. What makes bitcoin secure isn't just that it hasn't been exploited but even theoretical attacks have only gone so far as selfish mining. Or else would you argue that ETH is as secure as Bitcoin It is clear you aren't open to debate and are condescending so this is a waste of my time"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980017007798964321) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T21:03Z 1758 followers, XX engagements


"@auzghosty I'm wondering how this would actually work. Futures trading don't trade the underlying asset but are just contracts. So how does this impact the price If I'm not mistaken they can enable futures trading without even owning any kaspa"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980058408620589542) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-19T23:48Z 1759 followers, 7737 engagements


"I do think it's a nice comparison and indeed multiple prices arise from the dynamics on an inefficient market. But as time moves on we should be able to quantify what the average arbitrage size is which venues seem to lag behind how fast arbitrages are filled etc. All of this can only arise if they are compared to theoretical fair value of the asset. The more efficient the market becomes the more it converges to the oracle. I think that's a nice property to have"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980212757036232896) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T10:01Z 1756 followers, XXX engagements


"I agree with you that theory only goes so far. For example in the mathematical finance class I took at ETH the first rule you learn is that there is no arbitrage in an efficient market. Ofc that property doesn't hold because information doesn't propagate instantly etc. However I do think crypto is a highly inefficient market arbitrage opportunities are orders of magnitude higher than in tradfi. Hence it should close in the future. Either way it is interesting to have an oracle that can give more information than just a median like liquidity spreads etc"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980262700425851057) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T13:19Z 1758 followers, XXX engagements


"@optical_fibre @SebasP49474734 also the whole point of crypto is to be trustless and decentralized (imo) not to have big institutions "trust each other""  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980263775300145459) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T13:24Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"@SebasP49474734 "prices deviate significantly" seems like a stretch. The threshold for btc is 0.5%. Although I do feel this is still quite a bit. The question would be how fast can they update the price feed if the instant they do one update the next price fetch is already below 0.5%"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980284453302702569) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T14:46Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"@optical_fibre @SebasP49474734 oh I absolutely agree with the argument it's just the conclusion that doesn't make sense : oracles are not the way more institutions to trust each other "  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980284720329191565) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-20T14:47Z 1759 followers, XX engagements


"Im not sure I understand lets stay concise. Me and you can play futures trading without any asset. Imagine a world where there is a dark futures game (ie the contracts can peg to the spot price w funding rates but spot price cant see how futures are moving). A position can only be closed if another player joins the opposite side or an opposite side closes his trade simultaneously. Or if they have no more collateral then you just close the position and sell the collateral on the market for a stable asset. So apart from creating fear by influencing futures price depegging I dont see how you can"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980522209660535110) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-21T06:31Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"@xximpod @TheLoadedLounge @AppKaskad @DmitryMeshkov I mean wouldn't you say the same for creating a decentralized economy or scaling bitcoin it always seems like a human factor makes it impossible but I think there are ways to find solutions"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980661381142823189) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-21T15:44Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"@TheVladCostea haven't researched zcash yet was wondering what blocktime it achieves. Did it incorporate larger blocks or speed things up relative to bitcoin"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980942252596728049) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-22T10:20Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements


"Hi maybe I wasn't clear in communicating it but I am well aware that exchanges froze withdrawals and deposits. That's essentially the whole anomaly detection of my oracle. Ie. if relative to the volatility there is an exchange that exhibits very large arbitrage opportunities and that arbitrage isn't closed out fast this means trades/withdrawals/deposits were halted. The venue is then flagged as an outlier until the arbitrage closes. I am not a fan of LULD in crypto. If the normalcy comes back XX% lower than when you started freezing the oracle your lending platform is essentially in bad debt"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980969720791654602) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-22T12:09Z 1759 followers, X engagements


"@KaspaSilver @TheVladCostea I don't generally look at these metrics but do you know the size of a kaspa block and a bitcoin one just so I can have a quick idea of how they compare. Thx"  
[X Link](https://x.com/eliottmea/status/1980970975358247336) [@eliottmea](/creator/x/eliottmea) 2025-10-22T12:14Z 1759 followers, XXX engagements