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@someballfacts "again I do not think the numbers tell the full story. I think people mistake Messi's intelligence finishing and killer instinct which combine uniquely with his dribbling profile and reduce it to just dribbling. He had a monster peak as a dribbler but physically lost too much ability"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:15Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"WELL YEAH. Why on earth are we going to celebrate ANY PLAYER for a performance vs Australia. Did you think a performance vs Australia had ANY BEARING on greatness ability achievement history etc. I come from the era where great players silenced the biggest powerhouse nations. I have expectations"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:55Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@EmilPanelius finish school mate"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T01:08Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@messiaahhhhh @lightfinisher Yes The same way every steiker in history had a team behidn them"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T14:46Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@kwakujr23 What people fail to understand is the ability to bypass a defender onto the line he is defending. This is not what Messi does. He is Top X at evading in closed spaces and evading by cutting inward - but the vector of his displacement is not forward"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T05:14Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Alex123ESPWaves @kwakujr23 @sirkenndalglish @Trachta10 I have two goats : pele 1st. Diego 2nd. Then you can bunch messi cristiano zidane di stefano r9 however you want"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"THREAD: Let me help you guys out WITH PROOF. At his physical peak around 2007-2010/11 Messi was certainly a formidable 1v1 dribbler. But this changed. First he was never the most RELIABLE dribbler:"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:02Z XXX followers, 7502 engagements

"@iamprithvii Well yeah You wouldn't want Messi to be faster That's a crazy statement. Apparently you people think being slower in football is a good thing"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@RealHorus2 no r9 maradona pele garrincha neymar all prob better"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:39Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@cfc_gielho Me I don't think Neymar is even in the same stratosphere as Messi who is much better"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T19:44Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@big_frankie_2k when's the last time messi did this"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T03:25Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"The way I look at stat are as general indicators not as comparators. If I see a player capable of scoring XX goals/season which is in the upper echelon worldwide I can be safe to assume that this is an elite scorer. - I CANNOT make the deduction that he is any worse than a XX or XX goals/season scorer. If I see a player capable of producing XX assists/season which is in the upper echelon worldwide I can be safe to assume that this is LIKELY a player who is very proficient at feeding attackers/final balls. - I CANNOT make the deduction that this player is CREATIVE. I CANNOT make the deduction"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T04:17Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@hunnid43rd @luzen360 @lezico8 @pythaginboots It was the end of their cycle. They still got humiliated by superior tactics"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T05:04Z XXX followers, X engagements

"There's people out there that think this is good football. There's lunatics that think this is more valuable than scoring goals"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:00Z XXX followers, 2305 engagements

"@XVi145 You know why Because they created the "Frankenstein Messi" The idea that Messi was - the best dribbler ever - best goalscorer ever - best pmaymaker ever (lool this one is ludicrous) All at the same time"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T22:20Z XXX followers, 37.9K engagements

"I think Messi was a great dribbler. I don't think he's been the best for the last XX years unlike what you are claiming. That's not "he's a bad dribbler" or "imply that he was not as good a dribbler as he is". I am saying he was no longer the best - which at a time point - he was"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:40Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Yes mate all clips from prehistory"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:57Z XXX followers, 9099 engagements

"There is no question that Ronaldo is the clearly superior goalscorer. The period where Messi could compete with his level was 2010-2013 but that never matched the heights he reached during the X peat era. The question is simply does Messi's passing contributions make up for the goalscoring discrepancy"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@8bdrssss Be honest - the point I have made is he had great takeon ability up to 2011"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T13:51Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"He's second. No need to be a coward"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T16:09Z XXX followers, 2228 engagements

"@mogination are you a better dribbler because you played more games"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:42Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@sirkenndalglish @kwakujr23 @OroRogerio @RealHorus2 @_dothatshit essentially there re fixed probability values on a grid map. it's complete nonsense"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T04:29Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"probably except you either believe what I say or think it's cherrypicked instead of literally most of his attempts. if you think it's inaccurate feel free to review the matches or matches from the same campaigns and disprove it - you won't be able to i went through lots of footage"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T17:55Z XXX followers, 1905 engagements

"@Feyenoord_Lad @decinitive I called Messi a bad dribbler where show me please"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:37Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@mogination @Stan_Incarnated Never said it's a fluke. I am saying there is a quantitative and qualitative difference between messi between 2007-2011 and beyond"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:12Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@DonAndresI8 @Flashallmight Great. So we have X so far. Keep providing"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:59Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"You're awfully angry. Messi was for some time a good 1v1 dribbler. Was he the best in the world at 1v1s Best of all time No. But fan - I suppose you must be given how aggressive and aggrieved you are - will feed us the belief that he has been the best dribbler on the planet for the last XX years. This simply isn't true. And I don't see why that bothers you so much. Did I not tweet about Ronaldo You just ignored it"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:18Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Cortesisass @diegofutbolYT yes i usually only consider midfielders playmakers. correct. i don't think messi is a playmaker generally speaking. I said he has played games/periods of time as an AM however"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:22Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@PhilipB54142364 @yahudspotter @TerrenceF46353 it's a peak into the stats we do have for Maradona Messi never sniffed this peak"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T18:38Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Flashallmight I guess I don't know what you mean by central dribbling You mean dribbling the centerbacks in the backline When is the last time Messi has done this No a 1v1 can produce the pass/cross/shot. I thought you meant a midfield dribble centrally"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:34Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Flashallmight And yeah few if any goals are ever being scored by directly bypassing CBs centrally"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:54Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Sincycle_ @Andreas39954812 messi needs 5000 dribbles before we can assess stability. da eff hazard is retired dumbass"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T17:23Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @Cr7ElBicho_"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T22:35Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@ptetreAkouna @AleCBWS @DonAndresI8 @lightfinisher not a 1v1 takeon toward the net"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:34Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Andreas39954812 This is from 2012 to 2021/2. So again youre wrong and an absolute dimwit"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T14:11Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@AleCBWS @DonAndresI8 @lightfinisher If you bring an Inter Miami clip to a serious convo you're gonna be disqualified"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T19:57Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@hunnid43rd @lezico8 @luzen360 @pythaginboots pep's assistant coach. same team. same tactics. same personnel"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T03:47Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Andreas39954812 @EmilPanelius Yes So your point is Messi is "better" because he has more longevity than an average player like Traore What does this have to do with dribbling ability"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T13:51Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@FCB_Xabhi La liga defending TM"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T15:36Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Cortesisass @diegofutbolYT messi also has an excellent long ball. better quality than xavi in this department. but yes xavi is a far superior distributor and playmaker"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:32Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@mogination @Stan_Incarnated I don't think you know what we mean by a 1v1 takeon"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:22Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"This Benzema can sit at the table with any player in history. Oh and this goal was one of the greatest pieces of skill I have ever witnessed"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T04:04Z XXX followers, 47.4K engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Andreas39954812 Youre an illiterate idiot. You're confusing "regression to the mean" and applying completely arbitrary parameters to serve a nonexistent point. Go. Back. To. School"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T14:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@WalidYa54987568 I took ALL his wide 1v1 attempts form messi fan match comps"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T16:29Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@PhilipB54142364 @yahudspotter @TerrenceF46353 yawn:"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T18:34Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Stan_Incarnated @sirkenndalglish availability has everything to do with how good of a footballer messi is. these are intertwined"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:51Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Conclusion at least based on statistics: - Messi is not a top dribbler in terms of reliability - Messi is not the most efficient dribbler - Messi's "lesser" reliability is not due to executing tougher dribbles more often. - Messi's dribbles both in volume and proportion provide less value than several other players. - Messi has the most TOTAL volume of dribbles completed - which is hardly the flex some think it is. It is simply a result of playing many more minutes than most (longevity/touch volume). But is not an argument for efficiency reliability or peak ability"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:02Z XXX followers, 1569 engagements

"@ptetreAkouna @AleCBWS @DonAndresI8 @lightfinisher nobody can judge or care what he's doing in MLS. Let's see at the worldcup"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:31Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@IstvnKo55959905 the difference isn't that Neymar wasn't a good dribbler is he lacked the game intelligence and passing/finishing ability of Messi. He just doesn't combine the other key elements with his dribbling"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T15:38Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Cortesisass well Messi in most games. He certainly had some matches as an attacking midfielder/playmaker with PSG at times"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:00Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@ItsAshutosh10 no idiot you claimed he had more and better dribbles than ronaldinho in his prime. so I asked how you did that. now you backtrack and say there is no data - which was my point idiot"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T21:24Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@pudimspfc @BigDee_1996 @lightfinisher They don't like that I think Xavi was my best performer of the match"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T23:19Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@IstvnKo55959905 read the whole thread"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T15:23Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher I don't hate messi and I am not a Maradona + Ronaldo fanboy - though Maradona is 1000% among my fav players correct"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T23:13Z XXX followers, 1297 engagements

"Lol pep is a great coach but he ironically got carried by Messi. Neutralizing crosses. Killing a striker as a box reference. Removing set pieces. Killing any chance of verticality. Leaving huge amount of space behind the back line. All horrible ideas and why his UCL record was crap despite fielding the best teams. If it wasn't for Messi injecting pace and wonder goals in UCL in his early years and fav ref calls. damn. What he did to bayern was criminal. He's a much better coach today the he was XX years ago"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T17:22Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Partly. He has less strength and explosiveness and trickery compared to 1v1/wing specialists. He had it briefly from about 2007-2010. But he is better at minute changes in direction whrn on the gallop to evade confrontations or close-space maneuvering/dribbling which is very different from 1v1"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T19:45Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@nnaji_lawrence You re talking about one of the X best players that have ever touched a ball and I have to explain why he is good Thats not the discussion man"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:33Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@FenomenoFootbal Well I think at his peak he was a turnover machine but devastating. So yes numbers would be very interesting"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:23Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@YAdebisiw2007 @Madridixmo I don't know about bdor. but the stat arguments are unconvincing and have never been convincing. Bundesliga is a joke. Meanwhile Benz was playing with noobs as striking partners in a very defensive set up at a time where la liga goal totals dropped"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T14:44Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"So Mbappe scored a better goal thank Ankara Messi but nobody wants to talk about it"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T22:45Z XXX followers, 2551 engagements

"@ptetreAkouna we could make a longer compilation for Benzo don't worry"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T22:08Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Olabosipo9 Children talking about an era they weren't alive to watch. Carlos was super washed in 2007. And we are discussing Messi for the majority of his career not when he was good at this in 2007"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T13:30Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@lightfinisher No the difference between me and you isn't about whether or not Messi is great (he is) it's that we fundamentally disagree about what makes Messi great"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T23:05Z XXX followers, 2257 engagements

"@BigDee_1996 @XVi145 @Ogmendez01 Shut up mate youve been sneakily engaging ppl in multiple convos begging they ignore me"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T15:14Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Well a lot of perception is dictated by XXX touch matches guaranteed due to an all-time possession dominant team and being able to play in a sandbox where you are guaranteed a relatively infinite number of chances to attempt things. The same cannot be said of many other players. Of course when conditions changed and he was faced with more parity less touches it all collapsed. Which is why for XX% of his career he could not escape Xavi-Iniesta allegations. The major trophies without them only came very recently and a new breed of fans have changed the narrative"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T05:32Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"MEssi played the first leg and the tie was lost then. Who cares if Villa was injured Teams play with injuries all the time. Acting like the reason they got blasted is a Villa injury. Get the hell out of here. It is the same team until Enrique showed up and reconfigured their whole tactics"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T03:50Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@massimo_1998 Not a 1v1 takeon. We are talking about having a player in front of you on the wing and directly defending a line / space. Aituations where two players are clearly engaged in a battle"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T18:03Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@ptetreAkouna ill explain but i thought it would be obvious"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T18:53Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@PhilipB54142364 @yahudspotter @TerrenceF46353 Dawg. Nobody seripusly watches 1min of Diego and thinks he is worse than messi. You dont even have to be informed. 1min clip is enough to determine the superior player"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T18:02Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@ownsthatfraud @Ereh_X_Freedom @Afterennui @UCLSpecialist @Soccerfit247 @zobic3 @Actual_Ideality @HasHaalandApp @Stan_Incarnated @ruben_back @SANTICE_9 @sirkenndalglish @8bdrssss @MchaelSNM1 @JamesSt94802316 @DefenceMmn @danielvkesp @Dulazu7 @Flashallmight @fredcrx_ @Footyknowit We know why hes pissed"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T18:25Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Alex123ESPWaves @Ahmed1Bouali Lamine"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:28Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Players complete XX% more sprints than just X years ago. Let alone XX. If you do not understand that modern teams have far more aophisticated buildup mechanisms to evade a high press than they did when facing pep's barca - then you shouldn't be commenting on the sport. Could pep's barca conceivably adapt and be the best team today Maybe. But they probably would have to severely reconfigure some personnel to inject more pace and power in midfield and on the wings. Nobody plays like that team today for a reason - it's no longer effective"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T16:38Z XXX followers, 1379 engagements

"@ItsAshutosh10 show us Messi humiliating Walker on the wing in 2017. Im waiting"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:49Z XXX followers, X engagements

"@lightfinisher false but i dont think Zidane is among the absolute peak 1v1 players"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:43Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Madridixmo @YAdebisiw2007 Whens the last time anyone won an award due to copa Every rule twisted for messi"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T14:31Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @massimo_1998 1v1 out wide. Resd the post. If you can disprove me. Please do"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T18:05Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@IAmThatAIm Who mentioned Ronaldo"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T00:38Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Andreas39954812 Begone clown. You got absolutely humiliated and rinsed. Answer my question: at what number of dribbles or games is the sample representative of ability"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T16:16Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Andreas39954812 No you're an idiot. At what point is a sample sufficientHow do you calculate the appropriate sample At what point does "regression ot the mean" no longer apply At what point is a sample representative"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T15:04Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@sirkenndalglish It is a phenomenal post. Because it ignores key aspects about Messi that these bozos never talk about: his courage putting his body on the line his dedication to the sport his recovery work his physical preparation his ability to adapt to injuries/age"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:01Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"you're misunderstanding me entirely. would messi xavi iniesta dani alves be the best today abolutely I am saying that team as it played in 2010 would get demolished today as it did vs Bayern 2013. We are discussing different concepts. Are Zidane R9 Carlos etc. better than players today. Sure. The Galacticos team would still get run over"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T18:17Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"This was my talking point a week ago. Glad it's catching on"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T16:10Z XXX followers, 2244 engagements

"@ownsthatfraud @Afterennui @UCLSpecialist @Soccerfit247 @zobic3 @Actual_Ideality @HasHaalandApp @Stan_Incarnated @ruben_back @SANTICE_9 @sirkenndalglish @8bdrssss @MchaelSNM1 @JamesSt94802316 @Soccerfit247 @DefenceMmn @danielvkesp @Dulazu7 @Flashallmight @fredcrx_ @Footyknowit @Actual_Ideality @Ereh_X_Freedom @Tezzathekchen @Hoje_Tive_Ca @kwakujr23 @JuventinaHannah @jstnfutbol @lightfinisher @nonsequitur_leo @TotalLeoFCB @Wand_Stats @Endrickinho @tramsterlid @theLastKm7 @TatticaPassata @YMCanalyse"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:11Z XXX followers, 1114 engagements

"Post clips after 2011 please (boateng excluded)"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T19:03Z XXX followers, 1542 engagements

"@lightfinisher @ptetreAkouna @AleCBWS @DonAndresI8 i hope messi has a phenomenal world cup. you are incredible wrong here"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:35Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@EmilPanelius @Sincycle_ @Andreas39954812 Messi played more dummy. Again what's the cutoff 1000 1500 1600"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T16:51Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Feyenoord_Lad @decinitive Nice dodge btw instesd of actually tackling the central point here which you guys can never do in good faith"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T19:46Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Flashallmight how many such dribbles does Messi even have in his entire career again competent opposition it's a damn near impossible dribble no matter how good you are. when do players ever succeed in bypassing centerbacks centrally and scoring at the highest level"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:44Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Cortesisass @diegofutbolYT yeah I do not consider Kane a playmaker"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T04:08Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Alex123ESPWaves @Feyenoord_Lad @decinitive No Neymar was definitely better as of 2014. And Hazard as well"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:48Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Psyberlm10 @ney2maa Im talking about Carlos not prime Messi LOL"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T04:38Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Alex123ESPWaves @Feyenoord_Lad @decinitive also I've reviewed a sickening amount of Messi match comps today and yesterday - unless these are missing a huge number of dribbles - I have no idea how Opta is calculating these numbers. Completely fugazi"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:57Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Cortesisass Messi has won everything under the sun and is at a retirement age. I think trying to criticize him for playing in a retirement league way past his expiration date is not fair. Judge him based on his cv in high profile matches when he was in his real career"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:31Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Mate theres even a successful dribble in there. I picked EVERY 1v1 situation without fail from messi comps. Which means there might be more that we miss because they didnt include them. Stop acting like theres a treasure trove of 1v1s where he does succeed. There isnt. It dorsnt exist. Caput. Also messi gets a huge volume of touches on right wing especially post pep so your point is wrong"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T19:51Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"I'm not trying to be difficult but any stat available is horribly flawed. Assist numbers are significantly affected by the available goalscorers. BCC numbers are affected by operator subjectivity and tactics (maybe a team's creative tactic is to put in crosses but operators may not consider these BCC so is the player not creative) xA is pure rubbish (xy coordinates on a grid have no business telling you anything about quality) Key passes - we saw what Xavi's record XX key passes in World Cup were worth. I don't have a good answer for you"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T04:09Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@decinitive1 yeah xavi over Messi in 2008/09 reeks of revisionism. This is when Messi fully hit his stride"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T17:25Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"I can go for longer I have limited time. And I am using biased Messi match comps and including every single moment. Maybe stuff in La Liga (weak opposition). He did not forget. He lost his power generation. Why is central more effective Isolating a 1v1 puts you in position directly for a goal action (either assists or goal) Centrally leaves a lot of work left"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:29Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@IstvnKo55959905 these are completely made up stats. completely invented by a messi fanboy"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T16:02Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@ItsAshutosh10 show us"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:46Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Genuinely thankful for the opportunity to participate in this dialogue with the community on such a topic as well as the great though-provoking responses. This may encourage me to analyze back-to-goal situations in UCL for Messi"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T04:11Z XXX followers, 1178 engagements

"There are better 1v1 dribblers from the wing who are specialists and can do so via trickery and explosiveness and speed which Messi lost by 2013. Thats all we are saying. There's people out there who want to argue that messi has been the premier unstoppable superior dribbler of a ll time for like XX years. Which is incredibly untrue"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:32Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Alex123ESPWaves @decinitive yes that's where Messi clearly changed as a player. Agreed"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T17:59Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@ney2maa He was super washed here"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T01:51Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"Second in terms of VOLUME he was NOT the most prolific. So we have established he never dribbled the most often (despite dwarfing everybody here in touch/90) nor succeeded at the dribbles at great rate. So he attempts a lot but does not succeed that often"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:02Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Phrxsty Yawn. Great contribution to a topic. Repeating an affirmation with no evidence isnt true"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:07Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"show us the full match"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:47Z XXX followers, 2174 engagements

"@pudimspfc @lightfinisher not 1v1"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T19:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Bro has like what X true 1v1 takeons Boateng Scholes Nani Carlos And only one of these led to a goal"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:35Z XXX followers, 2561 engagements

"Anybody who denies this is instantly outing themselves as not being around at the time to witness"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T01:24Z XXX followers, 10.8K engagements

"@ExposingPlayerz @ney2maa no this dribble is legendary and incredible. football histiry. thats not the convo"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T19:39Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@messiaahhhhh @lightfinisher story of his whole career"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T15:11Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Third he was DEFINITELY NOT the most EFFICIENT dribbler nor was he completing the most difficult dribbles. So Messi is middle of the pack in terms of dribble completion DESPITE LESS of his dribbles being the tough ones that lead to shots"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:02Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Feyenoord_Lad @decinitive the evidence is the video (s) what more evidence do you want what evidence did YOU bring to back your claim. None. I didn't say you insulted me. I didn't say Messi was a bad dribbler. You seem to be arguing with yourself man"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T21:10Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@KingMessi90 @Mris77 Did you read the full thing or just the first post Messi has proportionally and in absolute terms less dribbles into pen box less dribbles into opposition third less dribbles into opposition half less dribbles leading to shots/goals"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T13:35Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@excellente_6 his 1v1 ability deteriorated. you can't act like he had it for most of his career. how many high profile 1v1s does he even have boateng. scholes. cannavaro/carlosx2. nani"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T16:28Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@ExposingPlayerz @ney2maa i never said I was a neutral page"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T21:46Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@FatiHive31 you rather insult your fellow human because of a barely critical post about your idol i thought idolatry was against your religion"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T19:45Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"he wouldn't pull off critical performances like spain 2018 netherlands 2012. But it's not like Ronaldo was playing like that in most of his international games lol Now he is a systematic killer. If he gets the chances he is a top X finisher in world football. The only one better is Haaland who is stronger more dynamic but perhaps has less guile"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T18:26Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"Objection "Messi's dribbles bring the ball into the final third/penalty box" No. Other players have more valuable dribbles in terms of carrying the ball into the final third penalty box and sheer distance of ball carrying:"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:02Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"Apparently striker shouldn't be a position"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T16:10Z XXX followers, 2892 engagements

"@notcxxkiemxnstr @ElCerebr0 they dont i agree. same page"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T14:35Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@BigDee_1996 @Ogmendez01 @XVi145 Cause he makes good points idiot"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T15:04Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@assman32169 @XVi145 delusion"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T13:25Z XXX followers, 1508 engagements

"Try this with Messi"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T21:06Z XXX followers, 2183 engagements

"@Ahmed1Bouali No he dropped off athletically after 2012"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T19:33Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"Yes Messi's pure 1v1 takeon ability declined significantly. This could be a 30min video but I will limit it to a short one. Don't confound evasive maneuvers with an ability to engage in the space and line a defender is protecting"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T17:34Z XXX followers, 35.4K engagements

"You're wrong. Modern teams have a far better understanding of spacing offensively and more importantly defensively. Better fitness levels meaning they can maintain concentration pressing and narrow the field for XX minutes or longer. Far better linkage/technical ability across the board to beat the rudimentary press and would destroy the high-line regularly"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T16:20Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Cortesisass Bassem im extremely busy to fo all that research. If you want to share the clips I can look into it. But no inter miami. I do not count usa against him. Not fair"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:02Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Robtaylorburner I'm just being provocative. I was there for the Messi "Maradona goal". It's part of football history"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T23:03Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"Someone had to shake things up a bit. Good work "
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:53Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"even without space - look at his goal vs Real Madrid (Home) at the 90th minute. Find another player who broke a block like that at that level of the game. Doesn't exist. Look at his multiple historic runs in World Cup. Nobody has those. He's more clinical with his dribbling than Cristiano at his peak"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T16:26Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @luzen360 @pudimspfc because he does not have the pace or the credible ability to place a proper cross"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T19:44Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @AvighnaBanerjee Messi can have a bad game when he doesn't score man. I dont know why you assume he automatically has good games"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T14:45Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@mogination @Stan_Incarnated No man. If somebody tells you that Messi is not comfortable crossing with his right foot - but you show a single example in a XX year career it does NOT disprove the argument mate. That would be like calling Declan Rice one of the best FK takers because he scored some worldies"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T20:56Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@AIwaysRonaldo @Cortesisass do you have all first-time finishes from Messi after 2015 I was looking at match comps and it was very stinky. Especially volleys (oh my)"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-16T02:55Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@Phrxsty 1v1 takeons in the winger position are an essential part of the game. Say less"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:12Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@DonAndresI8 @Flashallmight everything is harder vs world class teams. If you judge Messi by what he does against Almeria and Eibar while playing for the "goat" team then I understand why you have such an opinion of him"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T21:08Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"literally went match by match on youtube until I did not want to go further. there's match compilations that messi fans make - so I know they are biased toward him and won't even show his worst dispossessions. but the reality is he gets the ball a lot in these positions but he will just stop the game and pass backward or sideways. he tends to completely kill momentum. rarely tries to dribble on the wing"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T19:44Z XXX followers, 1853 engagements

"@wizkidandcr7 Yes Messi will just avoid that 1v1 confrontation on the wing"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T16:40Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @messiaahhhhh man it's harding discussing with you this topic - because you don't seem to understand what a striker does. Do you think Ronaldo dropping from his line would benefit his team"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T16:16Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@diegofutbolYT I am not criticizing Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a striker and has been a striker for like X years now. A playmaker is the player who is tasked with directing and constructing play for the team"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:40Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@lightfinisher @messiaahhhhh If he didnt struggle he'd play as striker and bang in goals bro"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-12T14:44Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@DonAndresI8 @Flashallmight Eibar. Try again. Read carefully"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T21:02Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Can we kill this trend of calling passing "playmaking" Vitinha is a playmaker. Ronaldo is not"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:35Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@lightfinisher @pudimspfc @BigDee_1996 Pudim is just mad at me because I contradicted him/her on a ppint yesterday and I find his/her points about messi to be too exaggerated"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T23:39Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"PART 2: Every wide 1v1 encounter from Messi fan match comps post-2015 Yes his 1v1 takeon ability was not the best. We need to have an honest discussion of what dribbling ability means. - 1v1 wing takeons - press resistance - small space maneuvering should be analyzed separately and looking purely at dribbling numbers has killed the conversation"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T19:28Z XXX followers, 3133 engagements

"@8bdrssss But i mean no point in disproving my point right You can call anything posted as cherrypicked. It's not valid as a rebuttal unless you can show it is cherrypicked (it isn't). I said Messi's ability declined noy that he was NEVER capable of 1v1s. Clearly at his peak he was"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T18:02Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@passtopedri @ownsthatfraud @Afterennui @UCLSpecialist @Soccerfit247 @zobic3 @Actual_Ideality @HasHaalandApp @Stan_Incarnated @ruben_back @SANTICE_9 @sirkenndalglish @8bdrssss @MchaelSNM1 @JamesSt94802316 @DefenceMmn @danielvkesp @Dulazu7 @Flashallmight @fredcrx_ @Footyknowit Those are messi fans too"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T15:43Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@yahudspotter @PhilipB54142364 @TerrenceF46353 Pele 1st. Diego 2nd. But i think diego is more talented with the ball and I prefer diego"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-13T18:21Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@Phrxsty What did you think I was saying You people need to learn to first listen then ask questions instead of getting into stupid arguments"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:23Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@chelssufferer My fav right now is Modric and Messi is definitely worse than him in 2025"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T15:36Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"I mean we could discuss specific seasons and dates. But the reality is Messi's conditioning and explosiveness was not the same after 2013. I think he still had some excellent takeons on the wing up to 2015 as well as the legendary Boateng dribble. But he was no longer the same threat"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T20:55Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"Yes exactly. Messi's greatness as a player first starts with his monstrous goalscoring and his ball-carrying/dribbling ability that made him extremely threatening at his peak. Later his ability to adapt while his physical attributes waned to be more team-oriented develop his long ball refine his decision-making. Finally his ability to push through and have the grit to win in the 2022 World Cup is what seals the deal"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T00:40Z XXX followers, XXX engagements

"@lightfinisher @massimo_1998 Everyone understands except like X ppl what we mean"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T18:16Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@diegofutbolYT Am i wrong"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-15T23:38Z XXX followers, XX engagements

"@JacktradoO you have all the big chances created over last XX years and you realize you are sampling a cut of years that is inherently biased toward Messi right because that's the span of his career essentially"
X Link @someballfacts 2025-10-14T21:02Z XXX followers, XX engagements